From Lazy Assets to Cash Machines: The Rise of Agentic AI with Anthony Diaz

Foreign. Good evening, good afternoon, wherever you are in the world. Welcome to the Cryllionaire crypto chat podcast.

Now this morning, for me evening for our guest, we have Anthony Diaz.

Anthony is a founder and innovator working at the intersection of decentralized agentic AI, which he's going to explain to us what that means and real world assets. RWA.

Over the past decade, AMP has led groundbreaking initiatives in currency, wellness, tech and digital infrastructure, building platforms that have reached millions of people.

As the founder and CEO of Go Go Smart chain AI, Anthony's reimagining blockchains as social infrastructure, restoring transparency, ownership and dignity to communities who have been excluded from legacy systems. ANT champions distributed leadership and collective restoration.

Designing tools that empower people to reclaim ownership over their health, wealth and future. Mate, welcome to the show.

Great to be here. Thanks for having me, Jeremy.

So do you want to explain to us decentralized agentic AI?

I think a lot of people have had a bit of a chat with ChatGPT and they think, oh yeah, I know AI, it just talks to me about my feelings or it talks to me about how to operate a spreadsheet. But what's agentic AI?

Yeah.

So if you've ever communicated with an AI bot, it answers your questions, it's helping you with one singular thing, or whatever you're talking to it with at the time. Agentic is more about how it interacts with other AI agents, but more importantly, it takes initiative. That's the main difference.

It's taking initiative. It's doing actions. It's doing actions on your behalf. It's doing actions that you may be didn't even think about doing.

And so when you look at a task, typically our brains have been, I gotta solve this problem, I gotta answer this question. But at the end of the day, you have in your head you're trying to accomplish something much, much more larger, something longer term.

And that's why you're asking the question.

Right?

So AI agentic is more about here's the end goal in mind and here's some other things you should be doing, thinking, asking along the way. And it's creating new pathways, new ways of acting, new ways of maneuvers to get to where you need to go faster.

And then you have a chain of AI agents that are doing a whole set of tasks to help you get to achieve your goal even faster, ideally while you sleep.

So, yeah, so achieving the goal, like, let's say I want to book a holiday, I've got to find out about the hotel. I've Got to find out about the airlines and things like that.

I know I can use the AI like I can use ChatGPT or Grok or Plauta, one of those things to find me the best deals closest to where I'm going. But does the agent actually jump on the phone and make the booking for me?

Yeah, you know, now agents can go to different browsers or agent browsers now agentic browsers that actually will click on things, they will look at different scenarios, they'll look at, they'll suggest different routes. Obviously for that you should go, what are the best times? It'll calculate all the different permutations and combinations of weather experiences.

Oh, no, it's Labor Day weekend, which obviously it is. You know, here, you know, you probably don't want to hit the road at this time. You probably want to start coming back at this time.

You, you probably actually want to have your Labor Day weekend before Labor Day weekend or after. That's the best time to probably have it.

Right?

So, yeah, go into different browsers, making different phone calls and you know, at the end of the day, the technology is there, but it's more about a human trust factor that we're stuck at right now.

It's like, do we really want this thing clicking on different browsers, filling in things, filling in forms, giving it our credit card numbers and all of these things? So right now it's really more of a trust thing.

It's a societal, you know, it's the artisanal aspect of we're used to holding our credit card, we're used to actually hitting the send button.

And as we start to build more and more trust on that, you'll start to see more autonomy happen and really agentic experiences start to take over a little bit more. So we're getting there, we're getting there.

But it seems like every other two or three weeks, I'm sure you're seeing a new agentic bat browser or AI browser pop up.

And we think they're extremely valuable, you know, but that's the crux of what we do is, you know, agentic AI is not just about agentic AI, but it's really about what's the underlying value of what it's connected with. So we think that assets, we think that value and intelligence have a huge cross section and intersection.

A lot of people forget that the person that owned and started OpenAI also owns Worldcoin as well, which is scanning your eyeballs and giving you coins as well.

You know, the true OG AI system has a sister company that is crypto related and they do go hand in hand and I can love to elaborate on that obviously, if, if possible.

So. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean we, we have, I have my own views on getting shot in the eye with a laser beam, but more importantly, I'm just thinking like, I've got three kids and I'm thinking, which of my children would I trust with my credit card and say, you know, go and book that airline for me, but try not to buy yourself an expensive watch or handbag on the way home. So it's, it's possibly.

I mean, obviously any new technology is going to be scary, you know, whether it's an Amish person getting into, into a car or whether it's most of us who are introduced to AI, you know, a couple of years ago for the first time. But I think, you know, trusting, trusting the AI with your credit card and making the bookings is another thing entirely.

I mean, I know myself in Australia, I tried to book a flight from Brisbane to the Sunshine coast, but there's actually a Brisbane and a Sunshine coast in Canada. So I found some very, very cheap flight, I was about to book them and went, yeah, hang on, I've never heard of that airline. What's going on?

Booking flights in another country. So how, how advanced is the technology? When do you think we could actually trust it more than we trust our own children?

Yeah, I mean, I think the technology is there. It's about, you know, how much we're ready for it, you know, and the paradigm that's going for.

So if you look at the open screen for most of the AI browsers or AI tools, right now we have open Ai you know, Chat, GPT, Gemini, you got so many out there. What can I help you with? Right, that's the number one question. That's the key prompt, right, what can I help you with?

And so, you know, you're seeing the new experience more about, you know, what are you trying to accomplish? What's your end goal?

You know, it's really pulling, you know, full blown consultant on your life and really start with there and then how can we work our way back? And so when it's giving you a set of experiences to click on, you know, would you pull up that browser?

Would you like me to pre fill out the application? Would you like me to Pre fill the PDF? So that's there, that's been there in ChatGPT for a while.

But yeah, you're starting to see the technologies that are out there right now. And then more importantly there's this concept, and obviously it was coined by an engineer at OpenAI, but Vive coding or vibe building, right?

This concept of applications now that can be built just by what you type, right? So the days of having to code applications, the days of having to know in depth code or UX or design are not there.

You just go with the flow and base of what you're trying to accomplish. And now AI is creating these applications.

And so what we like to think we're bringing to the table at Go Go is not just a layer 1 zkm or a layer 1 blockchain, which is called go smart chain AI for the space centered around real world assets. What we believe is most important is bringing a tool set to allow anyone to buy, build or vibe code assets, right?

So what's the value behind a system?

And if you can tie value behind a system and you unlock hundreds of developers like we've already have, and you allow those developers and builders and just anyone that is interested in building and connect their inclination to solve a problem and build an application without knowing how to code and connect that with an asset, we think that that's the level of innovation that's needed to really unlock not just agentic experiences, but agentic commerce, right? And that's what we think is missing in the space. Jeremy.

So this Thanksgiving, we hope that everyone's talking around the table about owning tokens in asset categories that are pretty cool, pretty fun, like agriculture, real estate, exotic cars, treasury bills, equ, things that are high yield. You know, the days of us going to bed and not having an asset portfolio that has at least a 5 to 15% rate of return on it.

You know, it's out there, right? And it just, it's a matter of can assets be smart? Can a portfolio be smart? Can it optimize itself?

Why wouldn't an asset want to think, talk, listen to another asset and be an agent in itself?

And maybe the agent needs to raise its hand and say, hey, I'm an, an AI agent for a piece of land and you know, I'll be more valuable if you put an ice cream shop on top of me. Or I'll be more valuable if you put a Laundromat on top of me.

And by the way, I have this piece of land over here, but two miles down the road, hey, owner, you know, I just saw that there's a, there's a Laundromat for sale and a storage warehouse for sale. And you should grab that while you're at it too.

And my calculations would say over the next three years, here's your extra yield on that if you were to do that.

Right.

So, you know, you get 100, you know, super rich people in the room, millionaires, billionaires, everyone's rich in the room. But is everyone really going to bed at night with an optimized portfolio? Still so much subjectivity.

And we think that that subjectivity needs to be drawn out the market. You need simple, fun, rewarding experiences. So.

So yeah, that's what, that's what we mean when, when we're talking about agenda, the technology is there and enabling just really innovators to not just build applications. We think building applications got commoditized already. Already there. There's no magic in tokenizing as you and I know.

It's about regulations, it's about licensing, it's about proof, it's about actuary, it's about sort of like the same thing that you and I talked about a while back about notarization.

Right.

Notary is pretty straightforward commoditized process. And there needs to be an element of proving that the car is where it is, where the asset is where it is, or the home is valued what it is.

But when you have that, what's not commoditized is linking ecosystems and applications and liquidity to something that's backed of value. So we think that intelligence and assets definitely have a significant overlap.

$400 trillion worth of assets are on the table to be tokenized over the next 20 to 30 years. Potentially even sooner. Sixteen trillion in the short term. Obviously you've had a lot of guests on your show talking about RWA lately.

We just believe the missing elements really is about intelligence and vibe coded assets, intelligent assets. And that's why we call ourselves the Intelligent Asset Network. Think of us as the Amazon for assets. That's something an investor called us this week.

You guys are Amazon for assets or your ambition is to do so. Sorry about that. So, yeah, it's an exciting time. And the AI agents are just compounding upon themselves and then sooner or later.

I'm a comic book geek, Jeremy, in X Men they always talk about this concept of there's the layers of AI, there's the sentinels, there's the mother mold, and then there's the master mold.

And I think we're getting to the point that a master mold is going to get created where the master mold starts creating OpenAI systems very rapidly and those systems start creating AI agents very rapidly. Eventually they'll start to disseminate in different niche sectors, different asset Categories. It's just an exciting time.

And obviously to drive social change is the most important thing. That's why we're in this business. We're not here to flip a token, flip a coin and then go away. We sell to enterprises.

We're getting a lot of TVL committed from a lot of different asset managers. Real estate, equities, futures, money markets. It's exciting. It's funny.

All the assets you can't hold in your hands are the ones that are getting tokenized the soonest.

Right.

So when we thought it was going to be the cool stuff like agriculture, real estate, cars. No, we're talking about enterprise SaaS and cash flows. But anyway, sorry, I know you have some more questions I get excited about.

It's all good, but I'm just impressed that you said you've actually watched some of our other shows. So that's great.

Most people have had experience just in the last couple of years. And the real world asset is to me, it's a separate system that you've got working together.

And some of our people with older gray hair like myself, be familiar with like timeshare. You know, you buy 1 50th of this property and you get to go and stay there one week a year.

Or you might own half an investment property with someone else that you've put in, or half a business with someone else and you're entitled to half the profit. But when we start to get into this state of you're talking about ownership of cars, ownership of paintings, ownership of watches.

Just explain that a little bit for someone who's not familiar with it and how they can have this optimized portfolio. Because some people aren't aware of watches holding their value through a stock market crash or paintings that hold value through a market crash.

Right, right.

Yeah. We look at it like three levers or an old school radio where you have a tuner in your volume.

Right.

So the tuner and volume on the asset really is about do you want to hold it in your hand, do you want it in your possession or do you want access to it and have that confidence?

Right.

Or are you optimizing for yield? If you're optimizing for yield, some of the.

When you're talking about equities, you're talking about money markets, you're talking about treasury bills. Those may be better off where you're holding yield, but maybe you want to have a little bit of a flex, right?

You want to be able to go into a networking room and say, you know what, I own some tokens in exotic car. And this go system, this developer created a very dynamic way for a contract to be generated in seconds.

And I bought 30% of a Lamborghini and that smart contract allowed me to literally I can go up to the driveway anytime I want and do a key fob and I can drive it on Mondays and Thursdays, right. I can take pictures with it, I can post social media, I can say I own it, I can trade those, right?

This specific Lamborghini, there are only 172 created. So it's a very limited supply. And so there's a lot of different aspects and benefits to owning something like that, right?

So are you optimizing for yield? Do you want flex rights?

Do you just want to have a collection of something or you know, are you doing something initially where you're putting it somewhere on layaway? There is an option in the Future to get 100% of those and at some point you may want to take yourself into that exotic bars.

Maybe not the thing that you want to do, but maybe you do want to tokenize, get yield in enterprise cash flows for a new startup that's a fastest growing AI startup and their month over month is doing amazing, right? And they did some revenue based financing and you want some of that.

It also gives you an opportunity to have rights to see what's going on in the company. Gets you to learn. When you own something, you learn, right? So everyone's trying to learn.

It's, we're in a, it's almost like we're in a race for intelligence, right? So the best way to, you know, be vested into something and to learn about is to hold in your hand, what about our kids?

You know, kids are still negotiating with only their lunch money, only their allowance, right? And they have to almost like in like jail.

They have to wait till that like this future time where they're going to get this freedom to own an asset till they're ideally 18, where they've finally learned enough in society to own an asset. But why not? Why shouldn't that nine year old go to fourth grade and say, you know what?

I own tokens in this piece of art, in this agriculture, when you own it, you learn more. So theory Echo that.

The kid that owns probably two or three different asset classes is probably going to be so much more sophisticated and advanced education wise in learning and in finance than those kids that don't own anything. When you own something, you take care of it.

You know, that kid also owns a lot of Pokemon cards, but maybe the kid, he wants to own a fraction of, you know, the world's largest Pokemon collection by his favorite YouTuber, you know better, you know what's better? Owning Pokemon cards, owning that type, low Pokemon card. So that's what we, we, we see.

It's all about yield, you know, physical access to it and the smart contracts that are available. And they imagine the, the possibilities of the generation of contracts that can be created around any asset category as well.

You know, so maybe there's a, like we're talking to a group that wants to tokenize about 150 acres of agriculture in Puerto Rico, right?

Yeah.

What would happen if you unlock that innovation of agriculture?

Right.

You know, you can build applications around that. You can build maybe farm bill games in Spanish around that. And kids would want to play around that.

They would want to go to the farmland, they would want to see what things are being grown there. So just endless opportunities to be able to offer rights, yield, but also just increasing the asset category and supporting your community.

Right.

You can transform a whole town once you start opening up something that's been idle and sitting there still for a long time, right.

It's almost like we're sitting on blocks of ice and that ice needs to be melted and that, that the water that comes from that melted ice needs to have pathways and rules of where that value can go to.

So yeah, I think it's great you say, you know, when you, when you own something, you start to learn about it.

You know, the person who's out there, 8 years old, gets their first dog or their cat and they start to lear about it, read about it, watch YouTube videos about how to train them and that sort of stuff.

I remember getting into stocks when I was a teenager, but back then you had to have, you had to buy a minimum parcel of 500 worth of stock in one stock. Nowadays you can get $5 worth of stock using Robinhood.

And obviously back in, back in the olden days to buy a property, you had to actually have maybe $100,000 to buy a property and you had to be 18 years old. Fun thing is, kids, if you're out there and you're nine years old listening to the podcast, you can buy stocks when you're nine years old.

You can buy crypto when you're nine years old. There's no age limit on those two.

But for those who go, oh, I like the look of that painting or I like the look of that car, but there was no possibility of owning it because you'd have to sell everything else you own to get that. So I think this is, this is a fascinating sort of learning experience.

And as you said before, it's normally the multimillionaires and the billionaires who, they've got their stocks, they've got their crypto, they've got their property, then they start investing in fine art and then they start investing in jewelry and things like that. But you're talking, everybody else can have everything right now just on a very small scale. So that's one thing is owning the asset.

But for other people, you're talking about tokenizing your assets. Okay, so I've got a 30 year old classic car in my collection sitting there just doing nothing. I barely drive it.

Oftentimes the battery goes flat because I don't drive it often enough because it's just pretty and fun. How can I tokenize one of my assets?

Yeah, so obviously you're going to need, when did you buy it, when did you sell it? You need pictures, you need video, you'll need to actuarialize it.

We believe that our chain and others will need to create a new type of gig category which is sort of like a notary actuary that can have a one to many relationship with tokenizing and proving Jeremy's car is where it is and certifying it. When you do a notary online, it's kind of silly, it's very kind of like commoditized.

And so obviously we will enable AI tools to validate that, but you may want to generate quickly, you want to token it in two tabs or seconds. And that's what we do. We enable companies and individuals to tokenize their assets in seconds, trade those assets, have a portfolio up.

Once you do, you may want to set some rules and say, you know, anyone that owns X amount of these tokens over this period of time is going to have this access rights, they're going to have this yield, they'll be able to drive it at this time, have this type of ownership, they'll be able to take pictures with it as well, they'll be able to do tours whenever you want. You know, you're saying, you know, every single day you'll open up the car and maybe do a live Stream from the car or things like that.

You.

Know, sky's the limit, you know, and what we're seeing also in not just the car space or, you know, take for instance, you know, you're, you're a Boston terrier, you know, owner, I was Irish Patterdale terrier. Owner. There we go. There we go.

Right.

So you were seeing this renaissance of just what people love, right? And what we need is like as AI comes more about, you know, it's killing our own intelligence.

But to fight that we're seeing these business owners and asset owners want to express this renaissance level of creativity on things. So imagine like why dogs, right? Why did, why do you love your dog? Why did I love my dog? He's not with us anymore.

His name was Chewbacca, Chewbacca Diaz. But what problems can you solve in the supply chain?

You know, whether it's cars or dogs, you know, there's kennels, there's the industry for feeding the dog, there's the industry for just the end to end. Where are the assets that are related to dogs and pets?

Right.

You know, cities, municipalities, they have a stake in making sure that dogs are not roaming the street. There are a lot of lonely people out there. How do we make sure that dogs are all adopted in every city?

There's a way, there's math to solve that problem, right?

And so if you can unlock the assets along the chain, right, and get those assets to be tokenized, imagine solving really complex problems like solving the dog problem in the world. That would be phenomenal. And we think that these massive global problems will start to be solved in very micro areas.

Like this town ended homelessness. How did they do that? They leveraged these idle assets in that supply chain.

How did all dogs and cats in this one town in Arkansas get all adopted in less than four months? We believe it's going to be the intersection of intelligence and getting creative about the assets getting tokenized in that supply chain.

There's stakeholders along the way. It's just unoptimized liquidity to support that goal. So that's what we see.

And imagine like the games, the applications that can be created around just adopting a dog, playing with the dog, dog owners, social networks around dogs, a social network for dogs, Dogs just in Australia, right.

Like the, the level of innovation that could be unlocked and then the ecosystem itself, it has its own liquidity and funding source that is sustainable and it's regenerative.

Right.

You know, when you look at growing societies, right, it's all about Genesis.

It's like, what can we create and have a regenerative system, one that's not just taken and then you have to go to a VC model or the equity market to fund it, or the donation model.

Right.

The reason why these massive industries of charities and all of these have been created is because we just have all this value in the Earth just locked up, unable to be moved. So now we have technology and now you have societal factors to move it. How much value is left to be unlocked in the world? I don't know.

If you and I were aliens and we came here and we wanted to put on planet Earth, we'd probably want to put it bid for three to eight quadrillion dollars for planet Earth.

Right?

I'm sure you're starting to see decks that say quadrillion on them too, as well. But yeah, that's exciting and it's an exciting time. But that's how we see it with cars.

The same type of concept with agriculture, but it's all about what societal problems are we trying to solve and what kind of smart assets can be created along the way and what permutations combinations can be created from these as well. If you look at quantum technology as well, if you're looking at platforms like Google Circ.

Right, A quantum platform, no one needs to build a quantum platform. But when you have quantum technology on a planet, in a society, all cards are on the table, right? Anything's possible at that point.

So now we're talking about how can your car optimize itself according to all factors, Right. You know, it probably wants to compare itself across all Lamborghinis. It's going to want to compare itself across Lamborghinis over time.

And at maybe some point, it's going to notice one point in time that it wants to trade itself, and you should trade itself.

And it's going to highly raise its hand and say, listen, if you don't trade me Jeremy, in the next two, three weeks, you're going to miss out on the next limited collection of Lamborghinis from there. And how many assets just go unoptimized and are being leveraged by the. The subjectivity of the owner?

Someone that owns so many other assets, they're not able to care for that specific asset, the level of empathy that they should. And it's a very, very valuable asset. So, so sorry, we're geeks about this stuff, so that's all we think about.

As you know, mate, we have a few ethical funds and we love ethical investing. So some of the things you're talking about, you're not just talking about yield.

You're not just talking about, you know, waking up some lazy money that we've got sitting in the garage or in the room or on there in the back cupboard.

Right?

You're actually talking about solving world problems. So how important is and what sort of tools have you got to do that?

I think it's super important, you know, So I started. I lost my father to heart disease. I'm New York. And by. By way of. I'm Puerto Rican by way of New York. I grew up in Brooklyn.

My dad was really hardworking. When he passed away from heart disease, that put a big fire in the belly. And I always just thought about legacy.

I thought about access, I thought about learning. And I always felt like everyone should be able to grow wealth, grow legacy. I would view myself more as like a social impact leader.

It's trying to solve societal problems, I guess. When you look at what are the biggest core problems in the world and why haven't they been solved?

I always come back to universal basic services, this concept that most of the world is still in suffering, still in survival mode.

And is there an economic model that if you were to cover not universal basic income, Obviously there's a big debate on whether that's going to come about based on AI and things like that. We're not really talking about governments or anyone funding universal basic income. But yeah, basic services probably should be covered.

And what would happen if most of the basic services in the world were covered, like healthcare? Well, who funds that? Well, the reason why it's so expensive is what had happened, Jeremy. Right?

You had governments, industries, fiat money from government. So government money, right, get in the way, right? You have these big columns and these big walls between them.

And we've never been able to set up a sovereign superstate of value that cuts across those things. Now if you do, then obviously the prices for services come down. And so that's what we're excited about. That's what blockchain brings.

It's really a social impact mechanism. And if you did that right, let's just take, Jeremy, the universal basic services number. If you and I wanted to write a check and we're trillionaires.

It would cost us, we'd get no slope cost slope year over year, but it literally costs us probably like 3 to 5 trillion dollars a year. But hey, that, that's not bad. That solves a lot of universal based service.

Most of the world, but our math shows that if you do a super state across it and then you're unlocking assets and unlocking those assets across those municipalities and industries and strong community, you can pull universal basic services off for probably about $350 billion a year for the world. With a downward cost curve, you're getting compound benefits.

Right.

And we don't think that enough leaders in the world think about it like that because then they're stuck in their roles. Well, why am I thinking about it that way? Because I'm not a president. I don't want to be mayor and I don't want to lead a pharmaceutical company.

I don't want to lead a Fortune 500 company. But when you are in those industries, you have no choice but to think of your social impact mission in those terms.

If you think of your social impact mission in terms of freedom, sovereignty, value and then just, just a total disdain for people suffering. Like I always grew up like in Brooklyn.

Like my mom was like, if we saw some, a homeless person on the street, whether you gave them money and what happened between that money and them going to the store, that's between them and God. Don't judge it. You know, if you have food, give it to them. Give, give, give. One person suffering is not enough.

And so that's something my mom and dad always instilled in me. And we think that that's important.

We don't, we don't tolerate suffering like we should not tolerate that level of suffering when there's so much value. I mean, Jeremy, how much flora and fauna and water is in the world? Infinite. That land is scarce. It's a lie. Water. Most of the planet's water.

How do people not have water? Most of planets are water. Most of the planet has enough greens to feed everyone. So we think hunger is a lie, we think water is a lie.

What we mean by that is just there's industry getting in the way of the access place, but the stuff is right over there. So anyway, long winded social impact's really important.

Yeah, there's a lot of debate about carbon credits and some of these more esoteric asset classes. There's value there, right? If it's being traded upon, we'll trade it on our chain.

But we have this tremendous Opportunity to really take out suffering and get people out of survival mode like never before. And so free healthcare, free food, free water, those things are possible, you know, just got to enable it. So we're really excited.

Yeah, we'll be releasing our GSMC coin next month. And yeah, pretty modest FDV. We've got great investors, we got a great community.

42 Dapps experiences, 12 really promising startups we like a lot these days.

I think more like a Paul Graham, I have to think like more like a Paul Graham at Y Combinator on like who are the best startups and passionate teams around assets that we can, we can fund. So we write grants to these teams and there's five really good RWA utility tokens that would come out of those 12.

So raising an ecosystem fund as well. So we're not, we're not just one of these teams.

You know, Web3 gets a lot of bad rap of like these young teams that come out and they're like, I just want to flip a coin, make my investor some money and beyond with it. But no, like we're thinking about things like what, what should the world look like in 100 years? What should the world look like in 10,000 years?

I mean, I think you would agree no matter what we do, probably the world's not gonna be around in 10,000 years. I like to think it would be. But at least ask the question, why not?

You know, how much time spending, doom scrolling, you know, just put down your phone and ask yourself what could the world be like if we really had, you know, liquidity and unlock for, for all of these idle assets and we can really trade on value and not be just limited to it not being visible or truthful or immutable, you know, so that's. That kind of drives your thinking.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think like way back in the dark ages, you know, when I was, when I was young and naive and had a very narrow worldview, you and you think, okay, I've got some money, I can put it in the bank and I can earn 4% or I can put it in stocks and I can earn 10% or real estate, earn 10%. And that's kind of the possibilities of how much money I could potentially make with those traditional assets.

And one of my friends was a bit more hippie dippy. He'd traveled the world and seen the poor people and this sort of stuff.

And he's like, okay, I want to get you involved in this agricultural thing in some third world country. And I'm like, yeah, I donate to that, like I give money to them. That's what I do. And he's like, no, no, this is an investment and you can make 100%.

And I'm like, that's not possible. You know that that's lies. I know how much I can make potentially. He's like, but you've never been on a farm.

You don't know that one grain of, of rice, you know, one grain of corn planted will grow like 300. And I'm like, ah, one apple planted will grow 300 apples.

So by investing into these things, the hundred percent that I get back was just a fraction of, of what the farmers got.

And obviously, you know, there's, there's things where the farmers can have droughts or famines or floods or whatever that can wipe them out completely.

But if they're diversified into other things, they've got enough money to diversify into the assets that I was more familiar with then that sort of puts this, this motor in them. And so it just expanded my worldview.

Rather than here's these third world countries that we just give money and, and basically ignore them and they grow our food do. It's like this can be an investment and I can start to make hundreds and hundreds percent return and make the world a better place at the same time.

And it was just like extraordinary.

It's a paradigm shift, right? And then if you take that paradigm down to where we're going, the agricultural investment, he had to educate you on that.

But imagine running the permutations and combinations on a platform like ours to really say the agriculture asset itself is speaking and saying, hey, look, here's the scenarios of what I can make. Here's comparables, here's the weather situation, here's the agricultural market in this place, here's what it's compared to around the world.

But don't buy me yet, because you're not optimized on these asset classes yet. And based on your age and your risk profile, as good as an alluring it could be, don't buy me yet.

I'm better situated for you to buy me and to have that level of objectivity as opposed to having a good friend of yours tell you and the next thing you know you might ruin a friendship. Because he didn't see a factor coming. He believed in it, but he didn't know that risk factor.

And so that's the level of intelligence that we think that the asset itself should have and a portfolio should have.

So based on your risk level, based on your yield goals, Everyone, we think it'll be a normal thing for everyone to have an expectation for at least a 7 to 17% yield, build on their whole portfolio at a 4 level. Right.

And then you're a little bit younger, you can have portions of your portfolio that's a little bit more risky and then to be able to compare those, you know, so we, we think that level is going to bring down anxiety. Like how much stress is based on finances. Am I optimized? Am I doing the right thing? How do I leverage my debt?

You know, what, what's the mix and where am I going?

Right?

So so many people go years and also have cultural stigmatizations about speaking out loud. We're talking about it without anyone in their family. But if their family was, didn't come from that wealth profile, how do they learn?

They go on the Internet. So we think that subjectivity needs to go out. And with it was probably going to be probably a fourth of everyone's anxiety when it comes to finances.

Right.

So, yeah, fantastic. You're painting this picture of this beautiful, beautiful world where we can all wake up our lazy assets, make some money.

Maybe you've got an old comic book sitting under the bed from 40 years ago that you haven't thrown out, and it's now valuable because everybody else threw out theirs. So how do people get involved? How do people tokenize their access? What, what coins do they need? What software do they need? How does it start?

Yeah, you know, for us, you know, some of the bigger players, just to talk about, you know, investors will say, hey, you know, go. You guys are competing with Ondo or Mantra or you're competing with these guys, right? And what do we tell investors is like, oh, oh, we are.

You know, like, show me what their application looks like. Can you, can you access it on your phone?

Can you tokenize something like, like, you know, a coffee cup right now on that platform and, and you challenge that investor just. And they're like, you know, I can't actually, I think I got to get them on the phone, I got to talk to them, book a meeting and stuff.

So, you know, for us, we want to make it as simple as two taps for less than 30 seconds. You can tokenize any asset, relatively speaking.

So we think that the simple, fun, rewarding, sort of like a, you know, a fun commerce experience, like Amazon, ebay, Shopify type experiences. You know, we.

Then another person, you know, called us, like, well, the tool set you guys providing, it's almost like a shopify for digital assets where applications could be created these fun experience Poshmark, go live and showcase your assets and, and things like that.

So for us, you know, Weber Mobile, you know, Chatbot, start uploading your pictures and that's about it, you know, and then, you know, your assets are tokenized. Nothing magic tokenizations, commoditized.

What's not commoditized is really the marketplace and getting developers that are building, constantly building applications against those. But not just developers anymore, the everyday person that is creative.

So Vibe coding by building does not require a developer or someone to know coding or user experience. We think that that should be dredged out. You see some of the latest platforms like Lovable, oh my gosh, super powerful platform.

A lot of applications and demo are built on lovable.

Now no one needs to know how to code and the record number of 11 year olds that are building a clone of Twitter in less than five minutes is off the roof. So once that gets monetized, right, what's next? Yeah, we think that tokenizing should be as simple as fun and rewarding.

And so think about us obviously as like a Dex component, right. If you know, Uniswap, Sushiswap and these Dexes.

Right.

So it's almost like Amazon having a baby with, with a Coinbase or a Unis Swap. So that's, that's really experience and then having a builder tool just to build applications end to end to end to end.

A lot of Vibe coding tools are more just Web2 centric. They're not doing the protocols in the back end, they're not doing the blockchain connections, they're not enabling you to connect with the web.

Three components, the security aspect and that's still the nebulous.

Right.

And so if you could take that off the table like we do, we think we're one step closer to Vibe coded assets, you know, so, so yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. So for someone who doesn't code, obviously there's an AI that can actually do the coding for them.

But someone with just one asset, you know, maybe it's, maybe it's a comic book, maybe it's an old car, maybe it's an antique piano, maybe it's a painting that's been handed down since, you know, World War I or something like that. How did they actually just go? Well, number one, how do they start? Number two, how do you guys make a buck out of it?

Because we've got to make sure that you're sustainable.

Right?

Right. 1 to 2% of the assets that we tokenize, we keep. So that's our model. And we think that SaaS subscriptions are dying.

We think that CFOs for Fortune 500 companies are exhausted with paying, paying for licenses for software. If you think of the concept, it made sense a long time ago. We don't think it makes sense anymore.

So if you have that comic book, say it's Spider man issue number one and that's, you know, eleven hundred dollars right now, the one that came out in the 90s. I'm a comic book geek, so you know, I know a lot of, of, you know, take a picture of it. When was it bought? Do you have it?

You know, take a picture of the back of it. What's the condition of it? And then you know, 1 to 100 on a daily basis.

So we'll have the human element to actually go and validate like is this comic book? Who are you? What's your, what's your authenticity? And to take out the fraudulent aspect.

And just like in real life, something get appraised, there's always an opportunity to be frauded.

But you know, once you ask a certain amount of questions, show enough proof, show enough receipts, you know, it is what it is, it's just as good as reality. So. And maybe as a comic book owner you're interested, you have that for a reason.

You, you're interested in comics, you're interested in Spider man, you're interested in superheroes. So being able to trade on that will unlock, you know, social networks and social contexts to connect with other comic book owners as well.

And next thing you know, you got two people geeking out about Spider man and Thor on the website. When so much more fun to talk about contextually the asset than just being on another platform, which is like I tokenize my asset.

Great, someone's going to buy it. No, they're not, because that's not a marketplace.

Right.

The industry needs marketplace.

The industry needs an agentic commerce marketplace where the assets are moving, they're talking almost like every single asset in itself turns into a little bit of a Tamagotchi.

Now the biggest danger is to make sure, you want to make sure that those, those little Tamagotchi assets don't get together, revolt and start their own town and next thing, you know, bankrupt everyone.

Right.

But that's part of the security. That's obviously making sure that, you know, the protocol is safe to use.

And we have to, we distribute through three global resellers tied to Salesforce, Microsoft and Slack.

Right.

These resellers, you know, for these large enterprise organizations have access to 300,000 companies around the world. So I get asked a lot of times like, hey, Anthony, you're in web three. Why are you wearing a collared shirt? You look like you're.

You're ready to go into a meeting to sell someone. And the answer is yes. We're on the phone all day with asset managers enterprises.

Our protocol goal is to make sure that Microsoft can tokenize their assets and link that to Bitcoin as well through inscriptions and ordinals, which is another segue of another geeky talk that we can talk about why integrating with Bitcoin is really important. Well, treasuries for Fortune 500 companies, that impetus has already been set.

And now you're going to start to see Fortune 500 companies take a stab at holding treasury and E ETH and Solana and probably other stable coins or other tokens like Sui or maybe even Doge. We see that happening. Well, what's just as important in that is we keep 1 to 2% of the tokens that we help tokenize.

Obviously, we picture those prices will go down eventually, but we think that the days have come and gone where you should be charging 30 a license, $30 a c. Why? Focus on value, focus on performance. And if we focus on performance, we align incentives.

You know, we're providing value that would not have been there otherwise unless you used our service. So we think that that is extremely sustainable business model for at least 60 months for us.

Maybe the margins get pushed down, but we're not in it for obviously the revenues. Obviously, the more. The more RWA is a flywheel. If you set up the ecosystem.

Right.

As you know, Jeremy.

Right.

So the more developers, the more builders, the more community, the more companies, the more data, the more tvl. That's the flywheel. And that supersedes cycles.

Right.

That value doesn't go away because it's tethered to reality. So that's the way we see the market. So a lot of people ask us, what is go? Is go an L1? Is it a marketplace? Is it a vibe coding building tool?

Is it a social fi experience where people get to congregate and do leaderboards and gamification? Yes, it's all of that. Go is really the ethos. Go is the ecosystem.

And to be able to manifest becoming the Amazon of assets, these components need to be there and we're blessed to have built them. That's what we've been doing. Heads down for quite some time and we're excited to release our gas coin.

And then right behind that are some RWA utility tokens that the community's built. Dubai Ecosystem Fund. We're really excited about that. So we're raising that, aiming to close that by the end of the year.

Take that money, invest in the companies building on our chain. We have some discretionary investment companies that are anywhere in the spaces or intersection of agentic, AI and asset assets.

So we think that this category is beyond a TAM Samsung. We believe it is a societal shift at its fundamental ground.

Of course, every VC is an AI investor now, but we think that the non obvious is going to be the intersection between value and AI. We're really talking about energy, where that energy goes and gets stored.

It's been stored into assets and now that value of that energy being stored into the assets gets to be compounded and liquefied even more. That's where we see the intersection between intelligence, energy and AI and energy is stored that way.

Which obviously the premise of what makes Bitcoin and most cryptos extremely valuable.

I'm thinking now, okay, for the average person listening out there, maybe they do have a thousand dollar comic under the bed. Maybe they've got a car that they only drive half the time.

Maybe they've got a few assets sitting around, a few things that might be worth a thousand bucks here, a thousand bucks there, not necessarily like a Van Gogh, they could actually list those assets, receive some sort of value for those, and then turn around and say with that money that I've picked up, I can invest into windmills and solar power and feeding the world and doing these sort of things.

So you've got this circular economy where the lazy assets are waking up, getting out there and doing some things, things that can actually make them money, make the world a better place. And again, you guys got 1% of that.

Obviously at some stage where I do sell, you know, if someone offers me $2,000 for the $1,000 comic, I'm going to take that after consulting with the AI, of course, and then distribute that cash back to these people. So is it really that simple? Is there any catch to it? What else do we need to know?

No, it is definitely that simple. We think there's other dimensions of value as well. I may want to buy my Spider man comic from you versus someone I don't know.

Or maybe I want to buy the Spider man comic that a football star has as well. So there's that social element, there's the element of reputation, there's the element of influence as well. That really is important.

But from a technical standpoint user journey, happy path 1, 2, 3. Tokenizer asset in a few seconds, few taps. It is that easy. We think it should be that easy.

And we think that there should be all sorts of fun and games built around that. We think it should be extremely fun.

Leaderboards, competitions, challenges, hearts, coins, stars, gems, all that fun gamification stuff you see in your favorite video game that should be a part of the platform. And that's what we build. We have a full gamification engine and APIs that we built.

You know, we've open source, we're open source sourcing that as well too. We don't, we don't believe in keeping our tools, putting them out there. It is that simple.

And that's where we think the RWA market is just been at this hype esoteric speech for too long. Rwa. Rwa. No, no, no. Let's, let's get down to what really matters most. Simple, fun, rewarding.

A 9 year old or an 88 year old should be able to do this hands down, right? Their assets. And we think that that same 8 year old or 88 year old should be able to prompt or talk value against an asset.

And that could be translating into an application, a game, adapt an experience, a web page against it, right? Something super creator. Or build a new comic book, a new superhero story about the agriculture in Puerto Rico.

Or maybe it's the in Ocala, Florida the equestrian market and racehorse market, which is the intersection of betting. A lot of sheikhs and sultans in Dubai own racehorses in Ocala. Underpriced real estate.

Maybe someone wants to build a horse comic, a horse superhero thing with an application and a really cool simple eight bit maybe betting game against it.

And boom, in less than probably minutes you've unlocked more value and application then you socialize that you vibe build the social aspect of the community, which is community is the last thing that's not going to be commoditized. And we, we want to enable those community building tools as well for these projects as well.

You know, how do you get that equestrian project in Ocala to now have a community size of half a million in less than a few weeks? Authentically sustainable users. And if you do, are those she consultants that own those horses more happy by not?

Yeah, because right now no one knew about their horse and now they're excited because now the ecosystem is growing and now the town of Now Ocala has increased in population 22% in less than three years.

So that's the level of like social change and impact that we see happen happening is that every place around the world has some sort of massive benefit and asset to it that needs to be unlocked. So yeah, that's what we see happening. But yeah, everyone's sitting on some sort of value or asset.

Or if you're not, your portfolio should talk to you and say, hey, look, go learn something. You need to learn more skills, you need to be more disciplined, eat better.

So we think that portfolio should have suggestions about health, providing value, fighting lethargy. Hey, you need to get into a men's group, you know, you need other people around you that are business leaders to kind of influence you.

Maybe you don't need to go to school, you know, but, but maybe you need to take this course or maybe you need to get good at AI, or maybe you need to get good at social. So there's an element of if, if you don't have the assets, that's not a bad thing.

But maybe you need to go back into a learning mode, revamp, provide value and then go get your assets and then you're going to get this asset and then you're going to get that SBA loan that's going to be half a million dollars. Then you're going to use that to start an AI consulting business. And all of that can be done in less than three.

So if you don't have the asset, you have energy, you have time, you have potentially youth, you have health. So those are assets at the end of the day. And then we have a project as well that is a RWA for health and wealth as well.

So owning those tokens will allow you to have medical cost sharing, mental health, telehealth, et cetera. So really good team behind it. We're excited about that project. So, yeah, that's where we see it happening.

There's so many different types of assets out there that, that are just ready for tokenization and it's happening. So hopefully this Thanksgiving there's a lot more people around Thanksgiving table that say, hey, I own some tokens in this, I own some tokens.

It's not just the cliche, like boring conversations. It's like, I own some xrp. It's like, yeah, I own some doge too. Oh man, I sold my Litecoin about seven years ago and man, what's it doing now?

It's like no conversation could be so it for cooler. They will be so much more cool. Cooler, right?

And traditionally and again, sort of going back 20, 30 years, you'd buy a house. The house has gone up in value by 10 or 20%. You go, I've got some equity.

I could borrow against my house and I can start to buy the house next door and rent it out, or I can borrow against the equity in my house and I can buy some stocks and shares. But this is like a whole new world.

And even again for those people who think they don't have any assets because you haven't realized you've got an old Spider man comic under the bed, maybe you know, someone who's 88 years old who's sitting, sitting on some, some value, whether it's an old car, an old house or something, you know, while they're sleeping, that asset is not being used. You can unlock, you can teach them how to unlock that liquidity and invest it into multiple things.

Because obviously if I, if I took the equity from my house and bought the house next door, that's a risk because of the terrorists moving down the block, then both houses have gone down in value. We need to diversify and get into different things.

So when the house goes down in value, maybe stocks go up, maybe, maybe crypto goes, or something else.

But now you're talking about diversifying on a micro scale where you can have 1% of a comic, 1% of a racehorse, 1% of a car, 1% of this, that the mind just starts to expand out into the universe and go, holy crap, there is so many trillions and trillions of dollars just sitting there sleeping that could be utilized. Where does this end? Like, where does this sit in 5 years time?

I think it, I think it doesn't and it becomes a new norm. It's almost like we all become these micro pools of liquidity or micro banks. And banks become, you know, banks will find a way.

And hopefully banks, as you're seeing, they're becoming more crypto friendly. So they'll, they will partake in this and there's going to be value. But at the end of the day, we're, we're all banks.

That's, that's in five years, we're all little micro banks.

And instead of the 13 year old having to go with a lawnmower and do a lemonade stand, all the stuff that you and I did as, you know, little entrepreneurs as teenagers, right then that, that 13 year old is going to the, you know, you know, Mrs. Ferguson's house and she's 88, and, and then that 13 year old's like, you know what, Let me tokenize the two cars in the back there. Let me tokenize a little part of Your house. And let me tokenize some of these antiques here. And, you know, just get.

All I want is 5 to 10% or whatever you want to give me. And then he goes down to Mrs. Smith's house and she's 72. And then he keeps going.

Don't.

Right.

And so the opportunities are probably endless. And then he's putting those on his social profile. And then the town has realized, like, oh, my gosh, Ms. Ferguson, I didn't know she needed money.

Like, I'll buy that location. And just the fact that it was listed on little Timmy's, you know, page and Timmy's 13. What'd you do this summer, Timmy? I made $74,000.

That's five years from now. That's five years from now, definitely.

And so we think, think like, we're big fans of, like, stuff that's going on with, like, World Liberty Finance and, and, and some of these. This concept of, like, getting the bank out of the way.

You should be able to refinance your things every single time you have a $10,000 or $20,000 thing or house shouldn't have to go to the bank and then fill out the form and then talk to someone. It's just like, what are, what are we talking about?

Like, let me just liquefy this and like, get these tokens and get this money and then I can divest from there. And so the level of dynamism, it's. You know, obviously every finance and banking term is all based on one water liquidity bank.

You know, I mean, these are all water turns, currency, currents, you know, everything should be water where most of our body's water. So, you know, we've just fallen society wise out of that flow of water. That flow.

Right.

So five years from now, it's just things. Value is flowing, you know, and it doesn't require that middleman.

Yeah, I love it. We're starting to get sort of all esoteric and spiritual. But I'm just thinking, like, when I, when I was 13, like, I was.

I was too young to work legally, but my mum wanted me out of the house. Yeah, I would go and paint the neighbor's fence. And then after a while, like, somebody tell somebody, somebody.

And I had a little, little fledgling career there and I started babysitting and someone had told someone, but, you know, I certainly wasn't making $74,000. I certainly wasn't getting a share of any of the equity when I improved the value of that house by painting it. But, yeah, I love this, mate.

We are all banks. That's going to be, that's going to be the quote. So, so again people, people want to get started. They just go to go smart chain AI.

They sign up, they put all their assets on there and they start moving the money around.

That's correct, yeah. So we're on test now, right now. So everything we do is simulating.

Right.

So we're not on mainnet yet. Our testnet is called Lisa and Leo. Mainnet is coming soon, next month and then you'll be able to fully do that and everything.

We're finalizing the licenses and you know how that all goes. You've had people many times on your show explain the licensing side of rwa. So I don't need to repeat that.

That.

So yeah, right now just come to test Net user application, play with the bot, check in every single day, tell your community about what's going on. And then you know, our major customer right now is getting institution the asset managers, ideally the blackrocks, Vanguard, State Streets to commit.

So we, you know, most of our days and times is just the flywheel. All starts with the most assets committed. So we have 50 million now of committed assets. Probably Tuesday we'll have 58. So that's a blessing.

But our goal is 500 million. So we have a nice, nice pipeline of different assets. Assets.

But yeah, if you're listening to this, just come to gosmarchain AI upper right hand corner. You should be able to check in and just come to our application. You come to telegram as well, Follow us, come to our Twitter, all of that good stuff.

Come to our telegram our discord and tell more people about. So we're rewarding people in GSMC on testnet for referrals. So the more that you refer, the better.

The more asset managers you refer, the better, you know, that's what it's all about. We're just excited to set the tone for the ecosystem. We think the asset market has really been needing innovation.

But the simple things, simple, fun, rewarding experiences.

And then we also have a developer program, validator program, we have ambassador programs and then we have an enterprise distribution arm as well too. You know, a lot of Web3 teams that are very young, they kind of sway away.

They don't want to, they want to go on zoom calls with a paper bag over their head or not turn on their camera. So we're pretty out there. So. So it's really important that we cater to enterprises as well.

So we want our protocol everywhere, you know, and companies using it.

We want the Developers, that company, and the creative people at company building applications against the intellectual property they're going to tokenize and things like that. So we have some exciting projects brewing. We've got a music project, asset project, Health and wealth project. These are powerful, brilliant teams.

And so these days, yeah, it's, you know, we're just looking for great, brilliant teams as well, passionate people. It doesn't matter what age where you come from, if you know about an asset or you have a great experience, we'll link you to an asset.

We got assets that need innovation unlocked against them too. So love that matchmaking element of my job.

So, yeah, and you'd need a lot of specialists because we're talking about racehorses and agriculture and different industries and oil paintings and all sorts of things. So obviously you're looking for anyone who's a specialist in any area or who's. Who's passionate about those areas.

And obviously, if you're listening to this podcast and you're 30, 50, 80 years old, share it with a 13 year old.

We want these guys to be actually out there moving the flow, getting these assets, waking up, changing the world, making money and, yeah, just getting, getting the flow. I love that water analogy. It's, it's beautiful. And as you say, it fits in with all the banking. We are all banks. So everyone visit.

Go Smart Chain AI and Anthony Diaz, thank you so much for being on the show. We're going to have another chat, probably not recorded. We'll get into the more spiritual aspect of that, but thank you so much.

Really looking forward to what you guys create and good luck with it all. Thank you.

Thank you. I appreciate the show and what you do. Really appreciate your work, Jeremy. Yeah, great stuff.

Cheers.